||A return to North Wales is planned after two years of visits in the South. Coed Llandegla is a privately owned forest in the hills west of Wrexham. Like Bryn Arau Duon, the location of last year’s visit, it is a spruce dominated upland forest. Management drivers are different, though, including heavy recreational use and black grouse conservation. For purists, the silvicultural methods adopted might not be considered CCF, but are they a pragmatic approach to achieving a degree of irregularity in an upland spruce forest managed for multiple benefits?